Curse

Rhedd · Aug 13, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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Originally Posted by Sweet Mystery

Just remove armbraces from the game and ban the accounts with loads of them in....

This should go without saying, but what about the folks (I'm sure there are some) who sold their high-end pets or other fancies for a boatload of armbraces, completely innocent of the problem?

On this very board, someone asked why they were getting such huge offers for their beetle pet. What if they had just counted themselves lucky and sold it?

Do they end up with no armbraces and no pet? Do they get banned for having a lot of armbraces?

I should hope not.

Honestly, I don't see an easy solution, here. (A rollback is NOT the answer. Pleeease, no!)

Chrono Re delle Ere · Aug 13, 2007, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Guys, ok....the dragon festival redux sucked so haaard xD I mean assigned prizes...pff...oh but this topic is talking about something else xD Ok so, as I heard about the relog update, I thought that there would have been some huge exploit....and, indeed, it happened. But the fact that this is going on from months, (at least I think) is totally wrong. Just 2 days ago, I can still remember,
I saw a guy in kamdan saying: wtb minipet panda for 100k+1000ecto+1500ambraces. My face was like this: o_o I said it to guildies and all to have some fun lol, and they did not even believe me. Anyway, before that day I've never seen people doing such offers (sorry I don't remember the name of the guy who made that crazy offer), I've always seen something like +300e or more, and that is doable if u are damn lucky and, then, rich. Then this morning I was doing my foundry 3 man farm with some friends of mine (smiter+hero and me as 600 :P ) then I had err 007, I pushed on the relog button and it said....err 21. I was, againd, just like this: o_o As I get this error quite often I hoped that it would have never happened before, but after something like 10 minutes I got that error again and again err 21 or 20 cannot remember. Anyway, I'm just sad about the fact that relog was taken away, as it was a rly great function, but if this lead to the actul situation...screw off relog xD Anyway I don't rlyy wanna a rollback...I've been playing like hell in this month, as I'm on holyday and well I just like to play on holyday, and I got my fow, some nice items (no ambraces or tormented weps anyway rofl), and I'm saving up for my second fow. So plz, anet, just don't do it, as if u do, you will kinda loose a player (and I think that it won't be just me). This is not a rly good situation for the launch of gw:en : /

P.S:I read all posts xD

Walking Noodles · Aug 13, 2007, 03:13 PM // 15:13

These people who are getting arm braces are probably not in association with each other or they would not be competing to buy the rare minis. none of these people are dumb enough to go selling arm braces for 10k etc. even if they did get an enormous profit. the millions of people in Kamadan saying "WTB Arm brace of truth 15k" are waisting their time imo

Martin Alvito · Aug 13, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by Oofus

For 85 Million? Sorry but either that seller duped or he sold his pet to an obvious duper. I may be jaded but I tend to believe the former.

If that particular seller was duping (and I don't buy it), we're in a GREAT deal of trouble as every mini has passed through his hands (many public High End auctions). On the one hand, it would explain his supply over time; on the other hand, he is simply too well-known as a player in the markets for too long for his fortune to have come exclusively from duping items.

I'd conclude that he just got had by a duper on his beetle, unless further evidence comes to light that suggests otherwise.

Ewon · Aug 13, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Buying the Armbraces isn't helping the situation any.

Enko · Aug 13, 2007, 03:17 PM // 15:17

I still think the best solution would have been the following: shut down the servers the same time as the build that disable reconnects, flag all accounts with 1750 armbraces or more and investigate those. probably would've got the majority of them. now since the servers have still been live for a while, they probably dumped them all already.

prosai · Aug 13, 2007, 03:18 PM // 15:18

Man, what a horrible thing to wake up to. It seems like everytime I farm the money to get one of the prestige items in the game, something happens to depreciate the value. I just bought my Torment Shield a week and a half ago after about 4 weeks of farming constantly. Which equaled out to several hours of trying to buy ecto's at a fair price and alot of waiting around in DoA in the wee hours of the morning looking for a seller. Imagine my surprise waking up and loading into Kamadan seeing tons of people trying to buy Armbraces for 5k-20k.

I really don't know what A-net plans to do, or what they can do. Frankly it doesn't seem like any banning is a fair course of action, because like many people have already stated, not everyone is hip to the things going on, and certainly didn't buy them with malicious intent. While I know the guys sitting with stacks and stacks of Armbraces are a little less than innocent. I really don't know at this point. It really IS irritating knowing that in the long run of everything the Tormented skins probably are going to become impossibly common and worthless. I'm just really hoping a good solution is reached sometime sooner rather than later. A-net has always come through for the most part with problems, so I'm really hoping they keep to that.

Tijger · Aug 13, 2007, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by Rhedd

This should go without saying, but what about the folks (I'm sure there are some) who sold their high-end pets or other fancies for a boatload of armbraces, completely innocent of the problem?

On this very board, someone asked why they were getting such huge offers for their beetle pet. What if they had just counted themselves lucky and sold it?

Do they end up with no armbraces and no pet? Do they get banned for having a lot of armbraces?

I should hope not.

Honestly, I don't see an easy solution, here. (A rollback is NOT the answer. Pleeease, no!)

There's the problem, isnt it?

Look, if I'd had a Panda or Rollerbeetle and someone offers me an insane amount of cash for it would I sell it? Sure as hell I would and I wouldnt suspect foul play because I believed until today that items couldnt be duped.

So, no, people who sold stuff in good faith shouldnt be punished for accepting what they thought was the deal of a lifetime imho.

I agree that a rollback would be devastating and definitely not worth the aggrevation it would cause just to...well..what exactly would it accomplish really?

mr_groovy · Aug 13, 2007, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Dear any Anet Representative. If you are reading this thread you can guess that action has to be taken now! (Actually a few hours ago) The dupers have mostly dumped their dupes by now

. So is that the end of it? They duped, they dumped ,people bought ambraces prolly cheap. Is that the end of it?
If that's the case I should have been smart enough to trying to dupe myself :/

The Herbalizer · Aug 13, 2007, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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Originally Posted by Enko

I still think the best solution would have been the following: shut down the servers the same time as the build that disable reconnects, flag all accounts with 1750 armbraces or more and investigate those. probably would've got the majority of them. now since the servers have still been live for a while, they probably dumped them all already.

I would say anyone with 50+ Armbraces. Then do the same for people with other valuable stackable items e.g. say 500 + Black Dye or 2000 + Ecto.

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Originally Posted by Tijger

There's the problem, isnt it?

Look, if I'd had a Panda or Rollerbeetle and someone offers me an insane amount of cash for it would I sell it? Sure as hell I would and I wouldnt suspect foul play because I believed until today that items couldnt be duped.

So, no, people who sold stuff in good faith shouldnt be punished for accepting what they thought was the deal of a lifetime imho.

I agree that a rollback would be devastating and definitely not worth the aggrevation it would cause just to...well..what exactly would it accomplish really?

I thought it was just a bunch of people going wild with their or daddy's credit card.

Obey The Cat · Aug 13, 2007, 03:26 PM // 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhedd

This should go without saying, but what about the folks (I'm sure there are some) who sold their high-end pets or other fancies for a boatload of armbraces, completely innocent of the problem?

On this very board, someone asked why they were getting such huge offers for their beetle pet. What if they had just counted themselves lucky and sold it?

Do they end up with no armbraces and no pet? Do they get banned for having a lot of armbraces?

I should hope not.

Honestly, I don't see an easy solution, here. (A rollback is NOT the answer. Pleeease, no!)

are u a duper? haha. sorry. people who are trading mini pets for armbraces while you can have ectos instead may be... 3 people? less? only you? ;-)

ectos are trade items and were ever trade items. armbraces are trade items since you can dupe them.

Seraphic Divinity · Aug 13, 2007, 03:27 PM // 15:27

Ok, wth, I swear 50% of the suggestions have been "make it so armbraces are useless/limit the number of armbraces to 1 per person/ make armbraces un-stackable"

ok let's think for a second...

no

that makes absolutely no sense. Why? Because if the duping occurred the way Enko and Fenix replicated and sent to anet, then armbraces sure as hell weren't the first things duped, I'm betting they experimented with something simple and cheap, such as a dye as the testers did, and then were like "Sweet! Let's Dupe Ectos!!!" (NOBODY would have thought to offer 'armbraces' as a method of payment because its never been done before), I'm sure the reason they started doing armbraces was because they knew a group of people were duping, and therefore to acquire more money than the other, they figured armbraces would be more tactical due to their overwhelming wealth.

ARMBRACES are not the problem, what is a problem are -all- of the items that were duped, whether they be mini-pets, ectos, crystallines, you name it.

Ewon · Aug 13, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

Would be nice to at least hear something from A-Net about this and what the current situation is.

Solas · Aug 13, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

i hope a new armbrace is made and 1 day grace is giving to ecchange,they exploiters will lose alot from that.

if you sold a mini pet for that much you must have known somthign was up.

didnt ectos drop in price around 2 minths ago too?
so effectivly these people messed up the game for us anyway.well the econemy anyway

Faer · Aug 13, 2007, 03:29 PM // 15:29

The new GW Economy perhaps?

Only time will tell!

qazwersder · Aug 13, 2007, 03:32 PM // 15:32

A roll back is definately not the answer. Its been said that this has been possible since the reconnect feature was first introduced. That would be 20th december 2006. It wasnt only masses of Ambrace's which were duplicated, it was also possible to duplicate other items, crafting materials etc, it is not possible to trace all these items. It just happens that attention was brought to the problem by the large amounts of ambraces circulating. Personally I would think that Ambraces themselves cause very little effect on the overall game economy due to their inability to be sold to merchants/traders. The effect they have is they devalue themselves, tormented weapons and gemstones, unfortunately the only players this affects are the rich ones, who worked hard to gain these items, which are a status symbol. To the average player, whats an ambrace.

I maybe wrong here but i'd also have thought that rich players would have rare golds and materials, and would not consider torment weapons to be the ultimate goal (I am talking about mega rich players here).

Minipets, the most expensive are limited in number so any that have been duplicated should be easy enough to locate, with a bit of help from the community.

Now a player may have used this trick 3months ago to gain 7 stacks of rubies which are now just sat there in storage, A-Net will not have records of how these rubies appeared, whats to say they weren't bought legitimately long long ago before they had any use? It is items such as these which will devalue the economy. To me this is a much bigger problem. It is possible that the market would now be flooded with rare materials, decreasing their value, critical with the imposing release of GW:EN and the expected demand for certain materials.

My point is that its not just all about ambraces, it encompasses many other items.

Kendar Muert · Aug 13, 2007, 03:32 PM // 15:32

anet has a record of everything that has happened in the game that they keep for at least a week- that is the only way they can do rollbacks, like the one for the trader bugs. Anet should have no problem getting the information they need- the problem is time and manpower.

Ben-A-BoO · Aug 13, 2007, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by Oofus

This guy closed up shop yesterday. If this didn't tip people off that there was an exploit then I don't know what could.
- removed url - no witch hunt plz

HAHAHA, He even had a Mini Kanaxai as his Avatar

wonder how many are now out there if that one has been sold two weeks ago

Screw Ectos - trade in Mini Kanaxais!

Seraphic Divinity · Aug 13, 2007, 03:34 PM // 15:34

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Originally Posted by Faer

The new GW Economy perhaps?

Only time will tell!

xD... my first laugh in the past 16 hours over this, gg

Acehigh · Aug 13, 2007, 03:35 PM // 15:35

I think a decent solution that is still possible to do would be to reroll to when this thread was created.Then shut down the servers while they check out the accounts that have loads of ambraces on them,or other types of items that can be stacked that are valuable.